TV Licensing goon Phillip Carvill trying to work the TV set.
Two TV Licensing employees and two police officers executed a search warrant in the Dartford area of Kent at around 8 am this morning.
The
video footage, shared by the
Active Resistance to the TV Licence Facebook page, is the most bizarre search warrant episode we have seen to date. It's bizarre in the sense that the occupier acted reasonably throughout, yet the TV Licensing goons, who were clearly frustrated at having found no evidence whatsoever of unlicensed TV reception, still indicate a desire to "get him" on trumped-up obstruction charges.
Clipboard-wielding apprentice goon.
Before going any further, let us reassure readers that TV Licensing search warrants are exceptionally rare (
even more so in Scotland). The occupiers of legally-licence-free properties should not be overly concerned about the threat of being searched, as TV Licensing will never (theoretically) be able to obtain the evidence needed for a warrant.
The entire episode is transcribed below:
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[The goons and police are on the doorstep at this point]
Goon 1 (Phillip Carvill): [Inaudible] mucking around now.
Occupier: I'm not mucking about at all.
Police 1 (with beard): Just listen to these gentlemen. They are here to conduct a warrant on behalf of the TV licence.
Occupier: Is that signed by a legal Justice?
Goon 1: Yeah, it's all legal. Do you want to check it? [offers occupier the paperwork]
Occupier: Okay. Erm, firstly I don't watch live TV broadcasts.
Goon 1: Can we come in and check then?
Police 1: Sir, just allow them to do their job. They're acting on behalf of a warrant that's been issued.
Goon 1: Here's our ID [offers ID card]
Goon 1: That's mine.
Occupier: [Reads out Goon 1's name]
Goon 1: Here's my colleague's [Goon 1 sways towards occupier, as if to fully enter property]
Occupier: Hold on. Excuse me officer.
Goon 2: [Offers ID card and states his name]
Occupier: Okay, fine [opens door wide and allows entry]
Goon 1: Here's your copy by the way [offers paperwork to occupier as he enters property]
Goon 1: Where's the TV apparatus?
Occupier: The TV apparatus is here [gesturing towards open living room door]
Goon 1: Okay [entering living room and approaching TV set mounted on wall]
Occupier: As stated, I do not watch live TV broadcasts and as such I do not require a TV licence.
Goon 2: Can you just switch it on for me, can you? [gesturing towards TV set]
Occupier: No. There's nowhere on your warrant that says I have to switch it on. If you want to examine the apparatus that's up to you.
Goon 1: You'll not turn it on for us?
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: You're refusing to turn it on? [To Goon 2] Okay, fill out that form. We'll go through it.
Occupier: To turn it on to what? There's no TV signal.
Goon 1: My colleague has to complete the form and then if you could answer his questions as accurately as possible.
Goon 2: Can I get your first name please?
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: You're refusing your first name? [gesturing towards camera] I don't know why you're doing that.
Occupier: It's for my own protection. You've turned up with two officers that are armed. I'm a law abiding citizen.
Police 1: We're here to prevent a breach of the peace sir.
Goon 1: What's your surname?
Occupier: I'm not at liberty to say.
Goon 2: [Reads out address]. Can I just confirm your postcode with you please?
Occupier: I don't know it off the top of my head.
Goon 1: [To Goon 2] Have we got a postcode?
Goon 2: Yes [reads out postcode]. Have you got a licence for the television?
Occupier: I don't need a licence. I do not watch live broadcasts.
Goon 1: Put your telly on for me [gestures towards TV set]
Occupier: Excuse me. Don't get agitated with me in my home.
Goon 1: Not at all [smiling]
Occupier: The officers are here to prevent a breach of the peace. I'm the householder, a law abiding citizen. I've committed no offence. I do not watch live broadcasts. I do not require a TV licence.
Goon 1: If you'd like to read your copy (of the paperwork) it actually tells you that now. What we've just said to you. For your records [gestures towards camera] if you want to look at your second copy? We've stated that we have all the authority to...
Occupier: To do what?
Goon 1: To perform the inspection of the television equipment.
Occupier: Please inspect it.
Goon 1: Okay. Where are the remote controls?
Occupier: [Looking around room] Erm, they are somewhere [finds remote down side of sofa and offers it to Goon 1]
Goon 1: It's your [inaudible]. You know how to turn it on. I'm not sure how to.
Goon 1: I take it all this [gestures at cables in corner of room] has been unplugged here, yeah? This all the stuff? Is this all to do with the TV?
Occupier: It's all to do with the sound system and the DVD player, for watching DVDs.
Goon 2: There's a television here and there's no record of a licence.
Occupier: It is not an offence to have a TV that isn't receiving live TV streaming.
Goon 2: Clearly you're refusing to co-operate and therefore I'll have to...
Occupier: I'm not refusing.
Goon 2: Well can you put in on for me please?
Occupier: I'm pushing the button. Look. Well, it'll need plugging in first.
Goon 1: Well go on then sir [gesturing towards unplugged cables in corner of room]. It is your property.
Occupier: I'm under no obligation to set the equipment up.
Goon 1: Alright [moves to plug in cables]
Occupier: You can inspect it. I'd like to note that the TV licence man is installing the equipment for the television so it can receive live streamed pictures, which presently at the time of the visit it was not [Goon 1 is clearly seen plugging in a power lead and aerial lead]
Goon 1: Okay then.
Occupier: You're the boss, by the looks of it [hands Goon 1 the remote]
Goon 1: No, not really. It's just I want to do what I've been sent here to do.
Goon 1: We will need to take your name though.
Occupier: I'm under no obligation to give my name.
Goon 1: So basically you're obstructing this search warrant [as he is holding the remote and playing with the TV set]
Occupier: Not at all. I've allowed yourselves in.
Goon 1: No, we need your name as well sir.
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: So, you're actually refusing to give us your name? So, for the record you are refusing to give us your name?
Occupier: I've already answered that.
Goon 1: So the answer is, you're refusing?
Occupier: [To police] Officers, have I committed an offence?
Police 2 (clean shaven): By doing what?
Occupier: By allowing these people under, as you said, the warrant into my home.
Police 2: The warrant obviously says that they've got the power of entry, the power to come in and to test equipment. By not giving your details you're basically hindering the investigation, aren't you?
Occupier: Is it your investigation or theirs?
Police 2: It's their investigation, not mine.
Occupier: Okay. I'm not obliged to give any details then.
Goon 1: So you're obstructing?
Occupier: There's the law [gesturing at police]. I'm not the law. You've obviously, erm...
Goon 1: Right. As it's your equipment you probably know better how to turn it on. Would you turn it on for us please?
Occupier: No. I only watch - it is on - the DVD player. That's how I watch TV. I only watch DVD films.
[Goon 1 is seen pushing buttons on the remote, but nothing happens]
Goon 2: That's the Sky remote.
Goon 1: Have you got the TV remote?
Occupier: I haven't got a TV remote.
Goon 1: Well you won't be able to use that [shows Sky remote] to get your DVD working, will you? That is for Sky.
Occupier: Right. Pioneer [gesturing at logo now showing on TV screen], Pioneer [gesturing at DVD player]
Goon 1: Yes fine, but you'd some sort of another (remote), which you've obviously got somewhere, which we need.
Occupier: May I just point out that the TV Licensing man has plugged in the TV aerial to try to enable the telly to receive live broadcasts.
Goon 1: I plugged in the leads that are there.
Occupier: Under a search warrant officers, erm, I'm unsure of the law obviously...
Police 2: So you are letting him test the TV [Goon 1 is currently pushing buttons on side of TV set, which is displaying a menu screen]
Occupier: Right, okay.
Police 1: If you read the paperwork that they've given to you sir, that will confirm things.
Goon 1: I'm not sure how to use this [looking confused at menu screen on TV]
[Goon 2 moves in to help with TV menu screen, but actually turns the TV set off]
Goon 1: Right, so basically you're not really going to co-operate with these questions?
Occupier: Well, no. I'm under no obligation legally to speak to yourselves. If the officers want to take me down to the station and question me under caution then I'm happy to come down with you now.
Police 2: Well, it's better to do it here. You don't need to come to the police station to do it (inaudible).
Occupier: Well, if I've committed an offence officer then I'm perfectly willing to speak to yourselves. You represent the law, I'm happy to talk to yourselves.
Police 2: Yeah, well it's their investigation. It's not for us.
Goon 1: I'm going to ask you some questions, okay? But obviously it's under caution [this is the first time either of the TV Licensing employees have mentioned the word "caution" and we're now more than 8 minutes into the visit]
Occupier: I'm not at liberty to answer any questions about legal obligations.
Goon 2: [Reads out caution]. Do you understand?
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: Well then he'll read it again and explain it to you, so that you understand. Read it back again.
Goon 2: [Repeats caution]
Occupier: I understand the caution.
Goon 2: Do you understand?
Occupier: No, because I only understand and recognise the caution by the representatives of the law [gestures towards police]
Goon 1: In this case...
Occupier: Yourselves work for Capita, who are employed by the TV Licensing agency. You have no legal authority of arrest over me, only the law does. If I've committed an offence then I am happy to come down to the station and answer any questions from these officers that they want to pose to me. I haven't got any obligation. As I say, I'm a law abiding citizen.
Goon 1: With the TV licence, we're governed by PACE, which is the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, which enables us to give you a caution. Now we can explain the caution to you...
Occupier: I don't recognise your caution.
Goon 1: You're not accepting - you won't accept our explanation of the caution?
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: [To Goon 2] Just put down that he won't accept an explanation of the caution, but he would understand it if the police gave it. [To occupier] So you'd understand it if the police gave it?
Occupier: If the police would like to ask me any questions at all down the station and I'm under arrest or caution, then I'm happy to do that.
Police 2: It's not our investigation though, is it?
Goon 1: How long has the television been here?
Occupier: I don't know.
Goon 1: You don't know?
Occupier: No.
Goon 1: When did you last have a licence? There has been a licence at this address.
Occupier: Oh, has there? I wouldn't know, because I don't need one.
Goon 1: [inaudible]
Occupier: What's in the past - we're talking now at the time of the search and what's history is history, I believe.
Goon 1: Well it is, unfortunately. Obviously you're being uncooperative with this investigation, okay? So what we'll have to do - we'll terminate the interview now, but it will be obstructing our investigation. Just to let you know, okay? So we'll be following it up with that side of it, okay? You've got your copy (of paperwork), okay?
Occupier: Right. Thanks for coming [goons and police start leaving property]. Sorry your time has been wasted officers [goons and police exit property]
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This video footage is very fresh, so we're expecting further developments on this story over the next few days. In the meantime, we shall highlight a few of our observations and concerns about that way the goons conduct the visit:
- The occupier allows TV Licensing entry very quickly, as soon as he has checked their ID and established the purpose of their visit. The time stamp on the video shows that the goons were inside the property within 45 seconds.
- The occupier immediately shows the goons where the TV set is and offers them the chance to examine it. At no time during the visit does the occupier stand anywhere near the TV set, or attempt to block the goon's access to it.
- The occupier rummages around to find the remote control and attempts to hand it to the lead goon. The lead goon refuses to take it, instead trying to get the occupier to incriminate himself by turning on the TV set. It is entirely understandable that the occupier refused to turn on the TV set in these circumstances.
- The Notice of Powers and Rights (view here), a document given to the occupier that outlines TV Licensing's rights during the search, does not state that the occupier needs to answer their questions or help them turn on equipment.
- The lead goon actually installs the TV set by plugging in the power and aerial leads himself. Even if TV programmes had been seen, it is difficult to reconcile how the occupier could have been guilty of an offence due to the goon's actions of installing the equipment.
- Both goons clearly lacked the technical ability and mental aptitude to operate and inspect the equipment present. On several occasions they are heard to say "I don't know how this works".
- The occupier remained calm, well-reasoned and civil throughout. He had the forethought to explain his actions throughout the video. He also clearly explained the goons' actions during the video.
- The goons made no attempt to caution the occupier until about 8 minutes into their visit, by which time the younger one had virtually completed the TVL178 Record of Interview form. Given this elementary breach of procedure, we'd suggest the completed form is evidentially worthless.
- At no point was any TV programme image ever displayed on the TV screen (in case anyone tries to superimpose a frozen image from The One Show later on). The only images seen were the DVD player's welcome screen and the TV's own internal menu screen.
- Chapter 16, Section 2 of the TV Licensing Visiting Procedures (which is usually redacted by the BBC) states the following in bolded print: "NB - a refusal to provide name, to cooperate with the interview or to otherwise be "difficult" does not amount to an obstruction of the warrant".
We look forward to seeing how TV Licensing pursue this case, so stay tuned for further updates.